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BONNIE BOSEWELL: Hello, I'm
Bonnie Bosewell, and welcome to our Webcast. Well as three or four
year olds get faster and smarter, parents have to be faster and smarter
about keeping them out of trouble. From the bathroom to the playground,
toddlers are experts at finding hazards where you thought there weren't
any. Well how can you stay on your toes.
Joining me to discuss injury prevention for three to four
year olds is Dr. Calvin Lowe. He is an Emergency Department Attending
Physician at Children's Hospital Los Angeles. Thank you, Dr. Lowe,
for being with us.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: My pleasure.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: Let's talk about who these little
people are. They're not quite as oblivious as maybe a two year old,
but they're not quite as savvy as a five year old. Describe them
for us.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Well I have two children
in this age range. I know firsthand how energetic, how curious they
are. How they're able to ride tricycles, climb stairs, run up and
down stairs. And there are inherent dangers which parents may not
know what kind of trouble they can get into.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: Let's talk about some of those
dangers. What about poisoning. I know that's come up as an
issue sometimes.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Yeah, one of the things
is that the kitchen is the most dangerous part of the house because a lot
of things are accessible. The main thing you want to do is be sure
to childproof your kitchen, meaning putting latches on the cabinet doors
and drawers and so forth. And try to keep things out of their reach.
Put things up above in the cabinets that are locked. Using child
restraint proof caps, although sometimes children are very curious.
They can still open them. But the main thing is to just keep them
out of their range.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: Well sometimes children have to
take medicine. What should you do in that case? Especially
if you're dealing with a sitter or something?
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: That's right. Just
make sure you read the label that your doctor has put, the actual directions,
to make sure that you're giving them the correct dose. A lot of times
people have come into my emergency department where the baby-sitter or
caretaker has given the wrong dose, either an overdose or an underdose,
which could be equally as dangerous.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: Scary, too. And should there
be an emergency number nearby, say either in the bathroom or in the kitchen?
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Absolutely. Everyone
should know 911. But the other thing is also to have the poison control
center at your availability because minutes do count. So the faster
you can get some type of medical attention or some type of consultation,
the better.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: We're talking about some ways that
parents can prevent injuries and intervene right away in case of poisoning
or something like that. What about 911 and also the whole business
of oxygen—you were talking about oxygen?
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Right, absolutely.
The thing is I would recommend every parent to learn CPR at your local
Red Cross or American Heart Association. Something very simple that
you can learn. Remember that interruption of oxygen to the brain,
in as little as four to six minutes, which may not be very long if you
think about it, but if you sit down and count four to six minutes, it's
actually a long time. And interruption of blood supply with oxygen
to the brain for four to six minutes can lead to irreversible brain damage.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: So learning CPR, dial 911, have
poison control—all of these things at the ready.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Absolutely.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: Okay. Let's talk about choking,
because that's also a problem for this age group.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Yeah, now at this age,
children are playing with all different types of toys. And they learn
how to take apart small toys. They easily grasp, they're very ambidextrous;
they're able to use scissors and so forth. One key, one rule that
I use is to, if a toy can fit through the inside of a toilet paper role,
it's too small for a child to handle because they like to get it in their
hands, put it in their mouth and swallow it and possibly to choke.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: That's a good guideline.
Because we know that there's problems but oftentimes we don't really have
a measure. So you are really using that toilet paper roll as a guideline
is great. What about balloons? Because kids go to parties all
the time; they're around balloons sometimes; there are broken balloons.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Yeah, it's really hard
to deter parents from bringing those nice big latex balloons. Because
what happens is when one pops, it pops in several small pieces. And
kids, again, grab it, put it in their mouths. And they can inhale
it into their windpipe. I've seen in some of my emergency department
cases, these are the worst, we call, aspiration or choking episodes because
the balloon adheres to the inside of the windpipe so tightly it's really
hard to get out. And even with specialized instruments, again, you're
talking about the four to six minute interval. If you can't get that
out then your child's in serious danger.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: So we can say, don't you think,
to avoid these kind of balloons at parties. Don't you think that
would be something that—
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: --Yeah that would be something
I would seriously think about. You can buy the Mylar balloons, the
big silver ones. Because when they pop, they only pop into one piece.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: Okay. Well let's talk about
falls because these kids are moving, they're out there. Should they
still be using the gates? Sometimes they have them when they're younger.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Yes, I believe so, because
the running up and down the stairs, you want to inhibit their access to
dangerous rooms, such as the kitchen and the bathtub. So the main
thing is at the top of the stairs, use a hardware gate where it's just
screwed in. It needs to be fastened by screws. And if it's
swung open, they can easily, they can't push it over. There's also
the pressure type gate, where if the kids are heavy enough, they can push
it over. And if they topple down the stairs, they can cause severe
head injuries.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: Let's talk about drowning, because
sometimes that becomes a problem when you haven't even thought it would
be a problem—just a small amount of water.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Right. It only takes
about a couple of inches for kids to drown into. I'm guilty of this
too, where you put the kids into the bathtub, the water's running.
Then you have to get the phone call, goes off, the phone rings. You
go out and get the phone. You come back and you forget about the
child and then the water is rising. So again, you really have to
look after your children.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: So to follow your own advice, it's
hard to put it in place because, as you said, you know the rules.
But then things come up.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Right. It's easy
to be distracted. The other thing is just the bathroom itself has
its inherent dangers. The bathtub; the toilet. You lift up
the toilet seat, kids look in their. Their heads are relatively larger
than adults. And what happens is they tip over, and then they go.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: So that's really—that's definitely
something—so you should just keep the toilet lid down? Is that what
you would recommend?
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Yeah, I would recommend
if you still have—use a latch is fine. If not—I have a niece who
loves to open up the lid of the toilet. And if you had those special
safety latches where you can lock down the lid.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: And what about slipping, because
that's always a problem no matter what age you are.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Right. That's another
thing, too. You can put a little mat inside the bathtub or outside
on the floor outside the bathtub so that as they get in and out they won't
slip and hit their head. The main thing is good parental supervision,
holding them out and making sure they have a safe trip out.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: Well a lot of injuries occur in
the bathtub from scalding. That's a big problem. What would
you suggest for parents in terms of really making sure that doesn't happen?
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Yeah, a lot of times in
our emergency department we get kids coming in because of the scald burns.
What happens is the parents say, "I didn't check the temperature first."
So the main thing is, use common sense. Check the water temperature
before putting your child in. And the other hint or rule you can
also use is to have the child have his back to the faucet as you're turning
on the—as the water is going in so they can't turn around and play with
the knobs. The other thing is the heater. The factory settings
are at 140 to 150 degrees.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: They're hot.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: They're very hot.
It only takes a couple of seconds at 150 degrees to cause a third degree
burn, which is a very severe. If you can turn it down to 120 degrees,
that lengthens the time to 30 seconds.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: And if you're in earthquake country
you have to secure that as well, right?
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Right, absolutely.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: So also there's been a lot of attention
in recent years about guns in the homes. Can you speak about that?
Children at this age are a little bit more mobile now.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: Right. If you don't
need a gun in the house, I would recommend not having a gun. But
there are some people who need the guns, law enforcement and so forth.
So the main thing is to keep the gun in a locked container. And if
you have ammunition, of course, to have that in a separate site as well.
Kids are, what I've found in my emergency department experience, where
kids have come in at this age not because of a shot by an intruder, they
were shot by a friend or family member. Or they were self-inflicted
because they were looking at this gun, and curious, and pulled the trigger
on themselves.
BONNIE BOSEWELL: Well you're in that emergency room
a lot. And I know that this experience you're giving us comes from
firsthand exposure. So we really thank you for all of your comments
here.
CALVIN G. LOWE, MD, FAAP: My pleasure. Thank
you.
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